Ask the Pastors S8 E11: "What are cryptids and should Christians believe in them?”

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Welcome to Ask the Pastors, a segment of the West Hills podcast, where you have the opportunity to ask your questions and receive biblically grounded, pastorally sensitive answers from our pastoral staff. My name is Brian. I'm your host and one of the pastors, and I'm joined by Pastor Thad. Hey everyone, and our lead pastor, Will.

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What's up? I think we should all do our best. I don't know. Chupacabra voice in honor of this episode we got coming up. I

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Think we need like a soundboard.

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Let's hear you're nesty. SasSquatch. All right, sorry, go ahead.

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Well, we were joking about it. We need tinfoil hats for this episode, but-

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No, I left mine in the office. I'm

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Getting out of ourselves.

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You used to word that around the office. It's true. You

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Got to watch out for the microwaves.

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Yeah. But we're talking about crypteds today. If you're anything like- Crypto. I had no idea what that meant.

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Can you start by explaining crypto to me? Because

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Crypto is made up money.

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Okay.

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And cryptids are made up things.

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Oh,

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Boom. Done.

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I prepared for a very different podcast.

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Yep. It's like NFTs, those fake pictures that you

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Could

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Pay lots of money

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For. So maybe there is a overlap between the two.

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Maybe.

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Are cryptocurrency run by cryptids?

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We could get an episode on cryptocurrency. I'd have to figure out what it is first, but-

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I always promote-

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I know what it is.

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An entry point that people can give cryptocurrency. No one's ever taken me up on it though.

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You do actually?

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I do. You joke about it. I say. I say, well, cash, check, Venmo, crypto, and no one takes me up on it. Stocks, bonds in

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There. Gets good laugh though.

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It does. It's a good joke.

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It's still ... But when will it stop being fun? I mean, anyway, that's another episode.

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So today we're talking about crypto zoology.

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It is. Sorry, now I'm really stuck on the crypto thing. It's kind of crazy to me that it's not more popular than ... Or no, that's not crazy because from what I do understand of crypto, it's crazy. It's kind of bizarre. But our current money system is not- Also bizarre. Not just as crazy, but it is. It's a little crazy to me that we still do money the way we do. Anyway.

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No

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More pennies. Penny's going gone.

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Yep.

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Got,

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Got. Man.

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Straight up.

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All right.

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We have a

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Question. That's not what we're talking

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About. Yeah. Have a question submitted from Ben. Ben, thanks for your question. Submitted a lot of great ones. He said unrelated to theological triage. This is the greatest. A bunch of ...

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The greatest of these is scripted.

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A bunch of triage questions. So unrelated to those. He writes just sort of a random question. Crypteds, period. I love it. I'm thinking things like Bigfoot or Yeti to Dogman/Werewolves, to Giants, to modern dinosaurs. Where's

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Dogman?

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That's a good storybook for children.

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I'm

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Trying to look up.

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That's what's going to come up. There's a Netflix movie called Dog Man. All

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Right. Actually,

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Is there actually- Yes, there is. Yeah.

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Oh man.

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There's a kid's book.

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Oh,

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I'm excited. Yeah. It's great. There's a kids series called Dog Man. Yeah, he's a police officer. A man loses his head and then they replace it with- Oh my word. That's

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Terrifying.

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My girls love it. It's great.

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Oh, so okay. But it's a happy-

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Way more popular and recommended than K-pop Demon Hunter to go back to another Netflix

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Would be we

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Talked about.

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Good to know where you stand about the capitation and kids' moves. I'm going

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To keep moving with the question.

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Yeah. We do need to answer at some point our favorite encrypted, of course.

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I like it. Bigfoot or Yeti to dogman/warewolves, to Giants, to modern dinosaurs, to UFOs, to whatever else you can think of that fits the category.

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No, no, no, no. He's really spilled over. Aliens. Aliens are not prisons. And that's another thing. They're not. Nor are ... What were some of the other ...

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CFOs. I don't

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Know. UFOs. UFOs is not

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Encrypted.

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  Whereas I've got to see the full ... Dinosaurs. That's not a crypto. That's a modern dinosaurs. Modern dinosaurs. Giants. I don't know. Would we put those? We had a whole episode- Nephilm. ... on the film. I think you should start by ... We should start with our favorite crypted stories. So you should share mine. Favorite crypto story. You should share yours about elders. Deacon Bob. What was it? Deacon Bill. Who was it? Deacon Bob.

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  No, not a deacon. Never. No. Just a crazy church.

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  Well, he was when I retell the story.

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  Anyways, finish the question.

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  Do you think these things are real, not necessarily all at once, can treat each separately? If so, are they angelic/demonic or just part of God's created order? What is the proper way for us as Christians to think about these sorts of things? I've heard things ranging from viewing it as a spiritual warfare to its all bunk, and I suspect the truth is probably a middle ground as it usually is. That's comprehensive.

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  Three things to start. One, Ben, you just became our lead pastor's favorite person because he often says truth is in the middle ground somewhere. Yeah,

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  But on this one, I don't know. On this one, I'm a little worried that Ben is ... So

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  In

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  The middle. If you're already in the middle on this, you're probably a flight risk out of the church into the bunker.

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  I have gone the deep dive more than anyone else on YouTube videos and research on crypteds. Tell us about it. Favorite hobby. What videos? What's

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  Your favorite crypted conspiracy theory?

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  Well, let me share real quick about Deacon Bob. Deacon Bob. Okay. You call him. Go ahead. But

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  I am going to make you share

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  About your big fifth theory. Yeah, I will. I will. No, one time I went to visit a church member, not at this church, at a previous church I served at in Minnesota. Bob was a older single man and just doing a visit to get to know him

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  Better. I think it's pretty relevant that he was single.

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  Very relevant.

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  Sorry, continue.

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  And we ate lunch together and then he asked to show me a short YouTube video that

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  Was

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  Two hours long. Bob's definition of

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  Short is very different than

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  That.

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  Anyone else's.

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  About the still existence of the Nafillam and how the Illuminati and the Catholic church are hiding them in Cleveland, Ohio.

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  Because that's

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  Where I'd put the Giants. That's where I'd hide the Giants in Cleveland.

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  Who's going to Cleveland? LeBron.

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  One day He's the closest.

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  Yeah. Okay.

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  Anyways.

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  Here's my best non-story. Let me just ... I'll say it this way. The biggest regret of my life is that I did not pursue this dream that was born one late night, my sophomore year of college with two of my good friends, also probably two of the funniest people I've ever met in my life. And we were all just hanging out. And the idea was born. When we graduated, we were going to ... And we recruit one or two others too. And we were going to go on a road trip around the entire country and make a mockumentary about all, I mean, as many of these.

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  Yep. So we'd go to Florida and look for the Florida Skunkape. We'd go to West Virginia and look for Moth Man. We'd go to the Southwest and look for Chupacabra. We go to New Jersey and look for Jersey Devil. And I could just keep going down like- Lake Champlain and look for Champ and Massachusetts, the Dover Demon. Anyway, Wisconsin, the Beast of Bray Road. And we just interviewed ... We'd obviously look for people that believed in them and interview and people that had claimed to have seen them and met them. I think it ... I volunteered because I'm not that funny, but I volunteered to be the videographer and edit it and all that. I think it was a real opportunity most. That's my number one regret in life, is not having given the summer after my senior year of college to doing that and nailing that down with those guys and be like, no, this is too good of an idea not to do.

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  So anyway, that's just my own. Anyway- That's your confession today. Yeah. About cryptics. Yeah. There's a heaviness around this topic for me because it's an opportunity must.

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  I don't have a crypted story. It's okay.

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  That just means yours is yet to come.

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  Yours is yet to come. Yeah. So yeah, I think as far as starting in this podcast with where-

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  Your favorite. Are you going to work in- I'm

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  Going to work in. Yeah.

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  Later.

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  I'm just- Okay,

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  Sorry. Go ahead.

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  Let me cook, man. Go ahead. I'm doing it. So as we think about cryptids, it is interesting to me that there is a growing popularity in this. Really? Yes. You'd be surprised in the races. It's growing? It's a grassroots effort, but-

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  Ben and Thad are both on board now.

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  I do think there is a certain type of person who is drawn towards the idea of crypteds. I think related to the type of person that's drawn to it is a distrust in institutions and governments as a whole. And I think that's an important thing to relate of this idea that people are hiding, are lying, are misleading, are misinforming us about certain things that as I've ...

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  Nick Fuentes, right? It's the Nick Fuentes movement followers. Those guys are, I'm sure, crypto.

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  Birds aren't

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  Real. And well, again, don't get me started on birds aren't real. The government's watching us. But as I- Do we

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  Do a whole thing on conspiracy theories? I mean, this is kind of- It's

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  Related.

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  Very related.

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  Yeah. I think as I've trolled the depths of YouTube, searching cryptids and cryptids in Christianity, there's crypteds, survival, cryptids, preparation for Christians, all of this stuff. And I would say the stereotypical person who is doing this video, talking about cryptids and El Chupacabra and Nessie and Champ and Ozark Howler and Skin Walkers and all these things-

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  Skin walkers might be my favorite.

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  That's a great name. It's terrifying. For a serial killer. But

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  Again, a certain individual that seems to believe other conspiracy theories and is prepping for an Armageddon-like situation where they themselves are preparing and arming themselves to attack against others. If I was to give a spectrum, I think Ben hopefully did it, either rejection of these things or it's just nothing, you're just making it up. And it's spiritual warfare. There's a really heavy emphasis on the spiritual warfare side, and including one person saying that they walk among us, but the thing that's different about them is their eyes because the eyes are the key to the soul. And so it's the only thing that they can't clone about us. And it's super equal parts like humorous and also kind of saddening that so much effort and time is being focused on this that I do think there's this, again, rejection of all sort of truth in what we can see.

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  And I think for some, they're looking for something that's perhaps not there and hyper fixating on that versus on reality. I say that as Christians who faith is things not seen, but ...

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  Yeah, I think you're right. I think a lot of it's probably born out of frankly boredom, which is sad that of all the amazing things in this world, like you can watch the planet earth or whatever, our planet kind of things and watch a whole episode about just on the mantis shrimp or something that it's like, or the platypus that's like God made ... I mean, you don't have to invent more. I mean, obviously write your fictional children's books or whatever, don't give them too many nightmares, but just like, yeah, there's plenty already in this world that's like crazy and amazing and what that we shouldn't need. But yeah, people still, nevertheless, sadly, with all that God's created, still get bored and need more and need to make believe in stuff. I do think that, like you said, a lot of it probably is born too out of the disenfranchisement, disempowerment kind of like, well, yeah, if there's not a place for ... Where do I get to assert my opinion and be listened to and whatever?

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  It's like, well, if I'm not smart enough or charismatic enough or whatever for mainstream to be a pastor at a church where people listen to me, I'll hear something that you go to the fringe stuff, I guess.

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  Searching for community. Where can

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  I find

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  Community amongst others and

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  Around

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  This specific topic?

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  Right. So that's probably an element of it. And then too, just people wanting, like you said, there's an overlap with the people that also that are preparing for the zombie apocalypse and bunkers and all that. It's like people also want to feel a sense of purpose. And so if hunting for the dogman gives you ... Yeah, again, it gives you something to do. It gives you like, yeah, we got to be prepared for when the Chupacabra comes and eats our livestock or whatever. So I don't know. And then there's mental illness and all sorts of other factors. Go ahead.

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  No, I think now, if I was to try and think outside the box or whatever, or like be charitable ... I mean, if someone who really genuinely ... Is it possible to be an otherwise reasonable, intelligent person and to have looked at the evidence, which I'm going to go on record here and say I have not. Maybe you did the deep dive, I did not. For any one of these many ... I've got a list of Google's top 20 cryptids here and with any of them, you could do that deep dive and you could show me the pictures that people have snapped while they're out in the woods. Show me, read me the arguments for what this could be and why it couldn't be this. For any of them, maybe you could make the argument and maybe it will end up being like aliens where I feel like belief in aliens has become so much more mainstream in the last five years.

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  I mean, am I right? Like that you're having government officials now testify before Congress about what they've seen and not seen and what's classified and you've got these- I have no idea. Oh yeah. You've got Congress people- Just

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  Thinking about movies. I was like, yeah.

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  Barack Obama is answering questions about Trump's getting asked about, "What do you know? What have you seen?" And, "I can't tell you. " And whatever. And so it's become so much more ... So that was something 20 years ago to say I believe in aliens immediately. Yeah, there's the jokes about the 10 foil hats and whatever, whereas now it's like ... I mean, Bill Maher did a whole thing two, three weeks ago on his real time with Bill Maher. The closing 10 minute thing was like, yeah, I've heard enough now that I think it's more crazy not to believe in aliens than it is too. So again, maybe now we're on a separate ... I'm not trying to get back on the aliens thing, which we did a couple weeks ago on our podcast, but there's overlap there too. And I guess part of what I'm saying is, could there be a world in which 20 years from now we're having the same conversation about, let's say one particular crypto, about where it's just like, okay, yeah, now there's been enough evidence that Bigfoot exists that you're the crazy one if you don't believe in him.

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  Maybe, I don't know, maybe, I don't know. I don't care that much. If it happened, to Ben's question, if that were the case, or with aliens, for instance, at what point do you, because I know this is the Tucker Carlson's thing, at what point do you start to blend my view of this physical material world and what's going on here with my understanding of the spiritual world and say, "Yeah, maybe it's not the craziest thing to speculate about whether it's angels, demons, kind of influence in this. " Because again, we joke about it, but the Naphillim, it's biblical. It's true. It happened. I don't see a reason to believe that any descendants of the Napilim are still around. Let alone Ohio. I didn't watch the two hour documentary and in fairness- On record, I did not

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  Watch the whole thing, but enough to-

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  Good for you.

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  At some point I had to leave, but ...

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  Yeah. Well, at some point we'll sit down and we'll watch it together. If I can find it. I'm sure Bob can get it to you still, but all that to say, it's not the craziest idea to think that there could be a category of creatures. I don't know that this is what cryptids are, that is in between animals and humans or something that is not an animal, that is not a human, that I don't know.

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  I've got four ... The only thing I wrote down in my notes, apart from all of the different crypts, are four ways we could respond. I could say four ways we could remain grounded as we think about

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  Cryptids.

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  Yeah, cool. One, we remain open to the possibility of undiscovered animals, which in one sense, cryptids are undiscovered, unconfirmed things, not recognized scientifically in that. And so again, I have a category for that. No one's disagreeing with it.

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  Well, listen, I think-

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  Cryptozoology is the technical

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  Category for it. Lots

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  Of those.

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  I think any marine biologist or zoologist would tell you ... I mean, I was just watching our planet with the boys the other day. They think we've discussed ... I can't remember what the percentage is, but less than 20%- Oh yeah, of the ocean. Of certainly the ocean. But even the marine species and the Amazon river. We just don't even know ... Every other day, they're discovering some new off ... And it's technically a different genus and species of ... It's very similar probably to another fish that's already been discovered. But yeah, so I mean, absolutely there's any number of animals that we don't know about yet.

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  But with that, you then have to reject sensational or conspiracy thinking, meaning it's just sensational, it's just causing people to stir. I think in the movie Signs, which again, if we're talking about aliens, it's a great movement. Great classic. Signs, then Dogman. Make sure it's the animated dogman, not the other one I looked on Netflix. There's two different versions. Oh, is there? One's not great. But there's a scene where the alien walks out and everyone's freaking out about it. It is creepy. It made me jump almost wet my pants the first time I saw us. So reject again, the sensational hyping up conspiracy thinking. Anchor in scripture, not speculation. It's very easy to speculate things, but what do we know about scripture? But with that, avoid assigning spiritual meaning two things like this. I think in particular, the spiritual warfare, which again, that's a whole subcategory in the cryptids conversations of zombie apocalypse and spiritual warfare, and that where they're assigning all of ... These are all minions of Satan coming to seek and destroy and to devour us.

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  Now, I do think Satan is seeking to destroy and devour us. I don't believe it's through crypted's things that have been confirmed and ruled out as far as how they came to be believed about. Like the Ozark Howler that was just a bunch of moonshiners that were howling when other creatures were to scare people away and it became this big myth that it was a 13 foot beast and that when really they were illegally making alcohol during the prohibition era. Again, I think reasonable thinking

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  Is in there and needed and also not to assign scriptural authority where scripture itself does not assign authority. It's good.

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  Yeah. That was the thing that more than anything stood out to me in the context of this conversation. If you were going to go to scripture and say anything about any of this, like Philippians four: five, where Paul says, "Let your reasonableness be known to everyone." We want to be known and thought of as reasonable people. Listen, we already have enough in our belief system as Christians that is highly unreasonable from a worldly standpoint. Dead people don't come back to life. I just don't. If you're approaching the topic of mortality from a strictly materialist atheist non-spiritual vantage point. And so we've got enough that we're asking people to get on board with like, "Yeah, but what if? What if they did? What if there's actually a God who you can't see?" And so we don't need to add anything else on that makes us as believers seem more unreasonable than is absolutely necessary with that.

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  And then beyond that, I mean, there really is a lot in scripture about ... My natural dispensation or personality bent is to say, "I'm going to be who I'm going to be if you don't like it. You don't have to be friends with me. You don't have to come to church here or whatever." But unfortunately, for people who approach life that way, there's just a lot in scripture about the importance of our reputation. It's like, well, yeah, but you don't really, as a Christian, get to just be like, "Yeah, if you don't like it, forget you. " It's like Proverbs 22: one, a good name is to be chosen rather than great riches. Ecclesiastes seven: one, "A good name is better than precious ointment." One Peter 2:12, "Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable so that they may speak ... When they speak against you, they may see your good deeds." They can't argue with that because they see even the qualifications for an elder in one Timothy three: seven must be well thought of by outsiders.

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  So you just go down and see time and time again that for the Lord, it is important to him how we're thought of. And so like you said, getting caught up in ... And even Paul warns us in his epistles about in the last days, there's going to be people who come and they're so caught up in worthless idle talk and worthless disputes and that kind of stuff. And so I feel like, again, there's enough within our faith, within the church, that we already cover on this podcast of things that we can debate about and how we ought to view the end times or mode of baptism or going down the list of just things that we have to deal with and we have to hash out and we have to have an opinion on because it's in God's word, we don't need to add more to the list of this silly make believe stuff that I'm going to have an opinion on that's just going to give someone a reason to write me off or give a reason for there to be division, let's say, in the church over ... I don't know.

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  I mean, as well as you think about how as Christians, we in particular should be thinking about stewardship of our time and efforts. And I shouldn't say, I can just tell you, I know all things, but in seeing the content on YouTube, I would be shocked if any of those YouTube videos that I watch those individuals talking about cryptids spend any time sharing the gospel with anyone versus only sharing the gospel of cryptids with others. And so again, it becomes so time consuming of that to ...

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  Absolutely. I mean, that alone is enough of an argument to say, "Look, we've been left here with a mission, a commission to reach those in need of Christ. And this is not doing it. This is at best a distraction." Now, I guess if I'm trying to play devil's advocate, could they say the same thing about me coaching my son's T-ball team? "You're not sharing the gospel with them. You're hitting a ball. Go share the gospel with someone. "It's like, " Well, I don't know. This is my hobby. You've got your hobbies, leave my hobby alone. I don't know. I don't know.

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  "I think with it is how all consuming

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  Does

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  It become for your life. I think scripture also teaches us that-

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  Is it hurting anyone for me to believe in Nessie, the likeness monster?

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  Okay. Well, real quick on that one, I think Nessie's clearly disproved, watched lots of footage and heard reasonable arguments for-

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  So you need to practice what you preach. You wasted a lot of time on-

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  Wasted time. I spent 20 minutes doing this and I'm not going to do- That was 20 minutes

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  Anymore. 20 minutes you'll never get back. It's amazing

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  How much paying for YouTube lets you speed up videos so that

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  You can go through three times. Three times speed. I see it all the time. I'm like, oh

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  Shit. With the Loch Ness Monster, reasonable explanations for it, logs, waves, sea otters, sharks, as well as surprisingly a whale penis, meaning a whale turning over and showing its penis.

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  Getting

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  Excited. Getting excited.

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  That's probably the most reasonable explanation. That's the most

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  Reasonable one from several people on the YouTube sphere who search out cryptids and

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  This

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  Is what they've come up with. And I'm siding with them.

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  Yeah. I don't even know where to-

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  Follow that up with. You

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  Can't go with it.

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  Debunked.

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  I feel like that's probably a good-

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  Segue to get

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  Up. Crypteds.

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  Yeah. I was going to say, if anyone wants to listen to that episode on aliens, it's been a year, about a year since that was recorded and released. It's season six, episode 12. Can Christians believe in aliens? Very different than cryptics. Can they?

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  Sticking by it.

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  Did you hear that RFK was ... It was outed that he was pulling over and cutting raccoon penises off from roadkill raccoons to collect and study for research just while we're on animal penises. Wow. I figured felt relevant.

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  Felt like to share that information.

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  Yeah.

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  No, but I'll keep that one in my background.

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  And whale head. Everyone knows the whale head when they were on vacation or whatever.

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  They what?

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  RFK cut off. I didn't know that. A whale head and-

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  Just

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  Cut it off. Strapped it to the top of their Winnebago or whatever. It was

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  A dead whale?

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  Yeah. It was already beached. It was washed up and his kids had complained about being traumatized. And anyway, it was a whole thing when he was getting vetted for his position as-

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  What do we have on there?

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  Just recommending not cutting off animal body parts if you see them on side of the road or beaches. Just don't do it. Just don't do it.

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  Yeah. So we'll do a follow-up episode on ...

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  All the rest of the

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  Cryptos? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I got nothing else.

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  All right. Well, that's it for this week's episode. I've asked the pastors. Remember that you can submit your questions by visiting the info bar at West Hills or by asking them online through our website at www.westhillstl.org. And join us next week or we talk about the ... Or two weeks, week and a half, sometimes-

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  Or we take a hard pivot from this week.

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  And talk about the four different kinds of biblical love.

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  But if there was one crypted that was for real, which one would it be? What's the most believable? I didn't even research. I feel like I hear the most about probably Bigfoot or Nessy. I mean, if you think about biblically, you got Leviathan. The Bhemoth. There's a couple and we did an old episode on that. And so to me, ones that would be related to that potentially.

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  Lockness Monster for me.

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  Like Nest Monster feels like it could be a Leviathan type.

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  I would like to think Bigfoot's real though. It seems fun.

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  Yeah.

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  I think there's a category of people that just think it's fun to believe in these things. I think it's just- Oh,

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  I think it's very fun. There's that too. There's

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  Slightly maybe crazy people, people that are actually convinced and there's people that are like, "This is just fun."

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  Yeah. I don't know, that's right. Skin walkers, love the name. Whatever they ...

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  Man, it's creepy. Be careful Googling. Be careful Googling for that one too.

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  Nightmares.

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  Yep. The Yeti.

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  I don't know.

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  Yeti? Yeah.

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  Bombing will snowman.

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  Is that ...

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  Nepal?

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  Right. Yeti's almost like their version of Sat Spots, right?

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  Yeti Spaghetti. I got the game at home. Played all the time.

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  That's a great game.

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