After the Sermon: Deuteronomy 17:8–18:22
4/28/26 | Thad Yessa | DEUTERONOMY: Remembering God's Faithfulness; Responding in Obedience
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Welcome to After the Sermon, a segment of the West Hills Church podcast where we answer your follow-up questions from Sunday sermon and share your personal applications of the sermon with the church for the benefit of others. I am this week's host, Pastor Will, standing in for Brian because we are taking the show on the road. Pastor Thad and I, who's here with me in the passenger seat. Hey everyone. We are coming back from the district conference for our EFCA Church Network at a great conference and we've actually got a cameo from a guest backseat pastor. We really should do ask the pastors episode. We might. We might go ahead and record both podcast segments while we're here because we got a guest pastor with us, Pastor Mark Castro of St. Paul'sy free in the backseat. Hi everyone.
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We're giving him a lip tone, but we thought we'd answer your follow-up questions from Sunday or let Pastor Thad answer the questions as it were and I'm just going to ask them. Okay. So our first question, Pastor Day, comes from Callie. Thanks, Callie. Could you say more about what you meant when you said one of your main bullet points was God sustains true worship? She said, "I'm thinking forward from when these laws were given to not long afterward in judges and in first and second Samuel where the worship practices that God had laid out for Israel get super perverted by the people. " So yeah, if I can, I guess, put in my own words, Callie's question. Great question, Callie.
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Thank you. God has to be the one to sustain the true worship of him, but why then do we see so much evidence in Israel's history? Dare we say in church history of the church, straying from true right biblical by the book worship of God, how would you explain or answer that one?
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Yeah. I would do two things. So in the context of our text, specifically in Deuteronomy 18 where I drew that point out, would be God's sustaining and providing for the priest for the act of facilitating worship and sacrifices and that. So that's part of where that comes from, that God is the one who sustains them and thereby sustains true worship. I would respond to really the extrapolation of that in the rest of the Old Testament and the church today with so much false worship, verse worship, misguided worship, worshiping of false things would be God is not sustaining those things, but what is actually being sustained is the true gospel and the worship of him. You can think of the gates of hell, held up hell against the kingdom of God. And that ultimately, even if there are forms of false worship, true worship of God will in the end, eventually outlast, outlive, overcome any sort of false worship as false worship is eventually exposed.
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Even think of the judgment at the end of scriptures that all will come for God and then those who are true worshipers of God will be the ones to enter the Canada and those who are not will be casted to judgment. So it's both a present moment for Israel that God is going to sustain their true worship by the sustaining of the priests, even though throughout sermon just emphasizing human authority will fail us sometimes, but God will ultimately sustain that which is lasting that is good, true, beautiful, the worship of him. So kind of a two part of sustaining the priest and thereby sustaining the worship. And then you think of an escallogical viewpoint in the end, the true worship of God will be the only thing that is sustained through the entry and people.
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So if I try and think, hear Callie's question through the lens, or if I was to hear it on the mouth of a skeptic of the Bible or of God, let's say ... I hear it as an apologetical kind of question like, okay, if God created us to worship him and God desires to be worshiped and worshiped rightly, not worshiped according to these abominable practices of the vegan nations. And if God creates within that a people for his own possession, Israel and calls them out of abominations unto himself and God has to be the one to guide them and show them what right worship looks like in the first place, but also has to be the one to, like you said, sustain the true right worship of himself and keep us on the right path. I guess I could still imagine someone responding with the question, "Well, why then do we see Israel stray so often?" I mean, I guess again, they could ask the same question about the church today.
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I mean, if God has to be the one to lead and guide his church and to keep us on the right path, why did Martin Luther ever have to come around and correct so much of the Catholic church? Why, even today? And I mean, none of us are completely sinless certainly in any of our churches. We're all just differing degrees of probably a little off of the perfect, right, true way of worship. So yeah, I mean, how do you think about replying to somebody who says, "If God wants the best for his children and he wants to be worshiped, he wants the best kind of worship for himself, why did he let Israel fall into these vegan practices fall away
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Anyway?" Yeah, I would ascribe some of that to just because we read of quote unquote allowances, like examples of this happening in Israel doesn't mean it receives God's blessing or endorsement. Even when I was referencing God making allowance for Israel to have a king, even though they had a king in God, I read from one Samuel chapter eight, and the chiefs of Israel come to Samuel and say to him, "Samuel, you're old and your sons are not leading as well, therefore we want the king that even Samuel, a prophet of God, his children are not leading and God making allowance for them." I would say that God is, in one sense, gracious and long suffering and that he doesn't just at the first moment wipe out Israel with their disregard of how he declared he should be worshiped to them, that just because we see Israel and the church throughout history and even modern church following practices that we would say those are not in accordance to how God has laid out how he should be worshiped.
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Doesn't mean that's a endorsement for him as well as human nature. God doesn't make us robots and that we have to, that we just naturally follow after these things that there is some sort of personal responsibility to that and the Israelites are given that responsibility of God desires true worship and it's worship that's not manipulated by him. They have to do this, but he desires their actual whole heart. And so he's calling out to them of, "I want your whole heart. I want you to desire affections for me. " And so even though we might look at even the modern day church and times in which they are askew or churches that are seemingly growing and lots of followers and things are going well for them, that just because it looks spiritual and it seems like things are happening doesn't mean that it's in fact God's bulletin.
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It could actually be God's versus complete people as he's letting them be cast over to the desires of their heart to follow after something other than him.
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Yeah. That's helpful. Thanks. So
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If I'm a father, which I am and I desire my children to a baby, I can ask them to put their bikes away in the garage and then I have the choice of letting them make their choice and do that or not, as opposed to me physically taking their hand, walking them over, helping them and God desires not just our, like you said, our loving, will and obedience, but I think maturity too, right? That what's going to help my kids mature and actually grow as people too is learning to make those choices for themselves and all that. So that's good. That's helpful. Thanks. Okay. Next question. We got a handful of questions submitted. One is, let's start with ... Yeah, let's start with Victoria's question. This is an interesting one. Actually, she had two. So the first is, because I guess one of the verses in there about abominable practices talked about sorcery and witchcraft and she is asking, can Googling what certain things mean be a form of witchcraft?
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I don't know. I'd be curious myself to ask some followup questions about what she has in mind with that. Maybe you have more ideas, but can ... I don't googling, what do you got?
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I'm sure I could think of some instance that would ... Googling certain things could be considered along witchcraft, but I
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Think in general, looking at what things mean, as a whole, I would not put in the category of witchcraft. I didn't give any specific definitions to any of these vulnerable practices.
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I will tell you, based on my such limited knowledge of how Google or basically witchcraft as far as I'm concerned, I mean, how I can type anything into Google right now and get an accurate answer in under a second. I think it's got to be witchcraft myself, but anyway, go ahead.
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So outside of that definition of using Google as witchcraft, I will say-
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Stark, man. You can definitely use Google or even as I referenced AI and discernment, that you can use it to fill certain gaps and voids as a way to try to master your own life and your own future. So I would say maybe less of Google and more of direct activation of AI, which I know so much in Google, that first thing that pops up is like Google AI summary. Part of what God is commanding the Israelites to do is to rely on what God has spoken to the Israelites through his word, through his priest, through his prophets. And so if you're using any form of technology to, again, try to discern or leverage a certain outcome that could fall within, maybe not technically witchcraft, but outside the bounds of what God has designated for us to know and understand and rely on him and his word and his teaching and his messengers.
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And so, I'm still formulating my own thoughts on AI and it's not great when I see people use it for any of these relational components. So I could rationalize a scenario which, again, maybe not specifically witchcraft, but in which it becomes dangerous and seeks to replace God's work or the spirit's work in your life, and that would fall within the bounds of unhelpfulness, not good probable practices for modern day Christians perhaps.
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Yeah. I mean, it is an interesting question. The more I'm hearing you reflect on it and I'm thinking about it, just thinking about how his believers were, I think, called to view all of life and reality through a biblical worldview and lens. And when you're typing in even a ostensibly kind of mundane, secular, whatever question into Google, you're not the default unless you ask it like, "Tell me what the Bible would say about it. " It's not going to be to answer questions about the nature of reality through the lens of God's words. So anyway, yeah, thanks Victoria for that question, thought provoking. And she had another one, which is, does God choose your spouse? And she has in parentheses leadership. So again, I think you did touch on the idea of being under authority and a little bit about sort of husband, wife, and parents and children and that.
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So does God choose our spouse?
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I would argue two things here. I think that's a great question. I think the question a lot of people, at least at some point in their life, wrestle with some of the idea of perfect soulmate kind of concept that there's one individual out there, which if I don't marry, I'm not going to find my soulmate. I would say two things. One, God, if someone is to find a spouse, God, because he is sovereign, knows exactly who that individual would be. And at the same time, God gives us a sense of agency and allows us to be attractive to different people and different things about them. And so does God choose our spouse? Yes, in the sense that he is completely sovereign. Two, I don't think it's helpful to think of a spouse or a potential spouse that's like, "This is my soulmate because it seems to indicate an area of there is a lack of completion in me unless I find this one specific person." But I do think God naturally draws us to an individual and that I would never want to ... I'd be very cautious to counsel someone towards, "This is the one particular individual that you were supposed to marry." One, because I don't think God's revealed that knowledge to me, but if you're one who's pursuing a romantic relationship, I think there's a lot of helpful questions to ask along the way that can lead one to come to the conclusion that this seems as though God has ordained and opened the doors and the pathways for me to marry this particular individual and I think it's very helpful and I'll just say, I think you should bring in other people for wise counsel sooner versus later in those sort of situations to, again, who are the Godly people in my life who can speak to influence, who are mature in their faith, who can ask the questions that I might not know to think to ask, or I might be afraid of to ask in order to help, again, discern the will of God.
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We know the will of God that we will be sanctified and one of the questions is, is this person going to help you become more like Jesus or are they going to draw you farther away from Jesus? And so like the idea of God chooses a spouse, like you could choose a really bad spouse that would be not pleasing to God and yet even in that situation, God can use that relationship for good to redeem it. But again, that's something where like how God allows his sovereignty and our agency to work together. Hopefully that's helpful more to follow up. I
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Think it's really helpful. I think one of the things you touched on there at the end is the idea that it's easier for an outside person looking at your relationship often to diagnose and say, "I don't think that is the person God has chosen to be your spouse than to say, you categorically need to marry this person." My one follow up is based on what you, and I'm glad you touched on it, so Nikki is not your soulmate. Is that what I heard you say? You said you don't believe in soulmates and one person-
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There's no marriage in heaven, so I'm not sure how our souls can be intertwined together on that. Sorry, babe, but I love you. We'll spend each other together, but having
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Over
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Here- It's just not married. You're just not married.
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I'm not going to push that one anymore, but yeah. Okay. Let's see. Victoria also had an application she shared of your idea of writing out 10 commandments and reading it in the morning. That's good. Anonymous question, how do I submit to bad authority? And I'm going to go ahead and lump in Maggie's question as well. Should a Christian ever submit to a bad authority figure? When, why, how? And she adds to that. How do you know when to leave? So yeah, I mean, that's a great question. And when do we submit to bad authority and then when do you say, "Okay, enough's enough and I need to go seek out a better authority to joyfully submit two
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Years." Yeah, I'm glad. Thank you, Maggie and over the anonymous question asker is, I think that is the one area if I had more time and if the text had given more opportunity for, would have loved to spend a little bit of time talking about how we are submit to bad authority and leave. And I think broadly speaking, we all submit to bad authority because no authority that we are under minus God himself is in fact truly good all the time. And that's just a general thing that we all submit to bad authority. I think of you, I have not always led as a husband and he has the time submitted to bad authority on my part. I shared at the beginning of the sermon and illustration that I worked under a bad authority for a long time, which eventually led to me leaving working at UPS because it became so far.
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So how do we submit to bad authority with the understanding that all authority at some point is going to let us down and again to different degrees. You say you have bad authority in the boss who's just a really bad planner. Well, it's probably not a reason to leave. I think as Christians in particular, we are to be faithful in the areas in which God has placed us. And so one is regardless of the type of authority, whether they are always good or always bad or somewhere in the middle, is we're called to be faithful in the word that God has falls to. So I think that's one. I think we're to be a witness in the places where God has placed us. And so if your authority finger is not a Christian, it's an opportunity for us to show what it is to submit to authority that we may or may not disagree with.
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I think in particular in the book of Daniel, where you have Daniel underneath thinking that it could be argued that not great authority at all in the fact that he and the other Jews that are told to drink this wine and eat this meat that is offered to sacrifices in their conviction to following after Galloway said, no, we cannot do that. And so they respectfully and recently said to authority that arguably that we would like permission to eat vegetables and drink just water and at the end let us do that. And so I think they modeled for one example of we can be really respectful to that authority and allow our influence of being Christians, allow that to speak loudly because at the end of that story, they were in fact healthier and better off than all of the others who were drinking the meat and wanted sacrifice to idols.
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Again, I don't think a direct application is our diet in the workplace it could be in a certain situation. And so we allow our influence of Christian witness, we are respectful, we are faithful. I think we, again, look for opportunities to remember that all authority in one sense or another is placed by God. Again, you can scroll down from government authority to local government authority to police officers, teachers, managers, parents in that. And so each of those categories has different levels of, I think also tolerance of that. I think for a child with the submitting to bad authority, particularly if it's in their parents, like there's certain levels of degrees to that in certain situations. I think for Maggie's question about leaving, it's really very circumstantial in a lot of cases, like I can tell you one, a previous church that I worked at, I would make the case that I was under that authority, that that authority did not care well for myself, my wife, my family.
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I would even argue other members of the church and it got to a place where I was sort of at an impasse of it would be better for me and my family and my spiritual care, my wife's spiritual care, our coaching care to remove ourselves from the situation. And so we decided to leave from being under that bad authority and at the same time, we sought to be as faithful, kind, loving, and caring as well. There can be a temptation that when we get to a place of discerning whether or not to leave, that we seek to go out with as much excitement, you could say as possible, we're going to make a big stink, we're going to make this all about us, we're going to make sure everyone knows everything that's gone down and all the mistreatment that we've had and we're going to go up very loudly.
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And I don't think that's how Christians are called to. You don't go into your boss's office and rip them a new one and then storm out and slam the door. I think our Christian witness would speak against that, but seek to live as peaceful as we can so they might see our actions. And again, there's probably some follow up in there to go through all the different scenarios. I think even a spousal marriage like husband and wife, there's a lot in there where I think there could be a temptation to quickly be like, "Well, this is a bad authority, so I'm going to leave really quickly once again." I don't think I have to again remove myself from the situation, but again, I think we are to follow the scriptures and to be reasonable and care, cautious, and love being gracious and faithful. And again, where it comes out is like there's physical, there's emotional, that's a little bit of a sliding scale depending on what's going on is that workplace situation is always happening.
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It's not something you necessarily have to be under. There are other work environments where you could not do verbally abused. And so again, thinking of some of those areas of your own personal wellbeing, wellbeing, underserved you, as well as because we all do have authorities and let us be willing to hope and pray for different circumstances and try to meet those, but while we're in these situations, seek to be family and work on places.
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I think that's helpful. Thanks. Yeah. That and I are both reading through Jonathan Lehman's book called Authority right now with our leader training groups that we're leading and he distinguishes between the authority of command and the authority of counsel. And for instance, the policeman that you mentioned that has an authority of command, I mean, they tell you to pull over and you better do it. That's not just advice that you need to do this versus something like you mentioned as a husband and wife submit to your husbands and his authority as the leader of the marriage of the family, but we We are not as husbands to exercise our authority through commanding in the same way a police officer would. It's through counsel and whatever. So I think that's helpful, but I think you're right that for sure the context of the relationship of authority definitely matters and it's going to dictate a lot of how you respond.
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But even with that said, like you said, I think you're right. It can be really hard to know on a sliding scale of every bit of it is imperfect authority in terms of the human to human relationships. How much imperfection, how much sin do you tolerate out of say a church?
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Hebrews 13:17 calls members of a church to obey and submit to your leaders that you're under their authority and you're shepherding your souls. But even as pastors, we're going to be the first to acknowledge, we let you down all the time and we're going to do that imperfectly. How much of that imperfect authority becomes too imperfect and well, I really need, I really deserve better shepherding, better pastoring, better leadership of my soul out of a different pastor, different church. I'm going to make a move. Same thing in the workplace. I appreciated your story. I mean, it's hard to hear.
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I'm blessed. I have never had that kind of experience of a work environment like you shared at FedEx where I just felt routinely demeaned and unappreciated and even mocked, I think you said, like by a boss, credit taken for my work and those kinds of things. Yeah, it makes me mad to even think about it to hear. But again, how much ... And again, like you said, it's probably circumstantial. You were in a very specific life situation at that point where you're trying to live on a shoe strength budget and put yourself through school and whatever. And you might not have the luxury of ... And again, I mean, we're recording this in 21st century America, like free society where like for most of human history, people didn't have the luxury of even contemplating whether or not I want to go get a different job.
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It's like, no, that's the job. You're just going to do it and you're going to put up with whatever you got to put up with.
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And certainly, like you said too, that the context of that versus compare that to a marriage where it's like ... I mean, yeah, employer relationship, there's a biblical category for that. Ephesians five, Polosians three, all that. It's important, but it's not even on the same playing field as something like marriage, which is sacred in God's eyes, this institution ordained by God. So to break that covenant, I think the Bible makes it really clear. How bad would that authority have to be before a wife would say abuse of your authority as my husband is so egregious that I can no longer submit to it and be in this marriage, that's maybe a different threshold there. So anyway, really great questions.
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I'd also just piece of that. It's very easy to recognize and identify that authority because it has an effect on people and if I could just encourage what you see good authority modeled to compliment, to encourage, to recognize it, because again, we live in a time and age where every news article coming out is like, "Here's how someone issues authority, here's bad authority, here's something." And I think in particular churches at large, again, don't come up to me and say that you're such authority so well, but just an encouragement that when we see individuals using authority that we should recognize it for them to encourage more of that behavior and even scripture like we are to owe to one another in honor. And I think particularly in the church what we see people using authority well, whether it be a children's worker and volunteering kids ministry, you just get their authority well to correct a child so that all the rest of the children can be paying attention to lesson to the other council to small group or disability or different situations that we honor and encourage what we see as good.
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And that is reflective of the authority that God has given us and good authorities back to God. It talked about that a little bit that all of our authorities derived and as Christians, even our authorities derived from God and to steward those law and encourage when you see it versus just keeping on when you see that authority.
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Yep, that's good. Really good reminder. Thanks for adding that. Let's see. We've got maybe one or two more. Brian asks, "Are we under the law or under grace?" And I'll apologize that it's been long enough since the sermon that I'm ... And maybe I'm not 100% sure the context for his question within a response to the sermon from Sunday, maybe you remember talking about law versus grace or ... And obviously I think we'd have to say we're under grace, new covenant, no longer under the law, that's pretty clear. However, we're preaching from the law. And I mean, obviously continuing on in that last Sunday and these laws about kings and priests and prophets. So anyway, anything you want to add to that?
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Same answer. Okay. We're under grace, not the law, but I would say that the law is again. Again, that's for believers we are. Grace, unbelievable still under law. Maybe some of it comes back to the kings writing the law and why it is they're supposed to. I drew the connection to the order of God and maybe we are under what's authority. So yeah, same thing.
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And we, even being under grace, I mean, Jesus says, "A new law I give you to love one another wasn't really new other than the fact, I mean the way in which Jesus..." Anyway, not to get up, but we still seek to obey God's rules and way of living, not because we're under the law and because by doing so, we're going to establish or maintain relationship with him that's done for us by Christ, but as a response, right? As a response to the grace that we've been shown in Christ, we now seek to live life according to God's, his law, his expectations. Okay. Last one, I think. Oh yeah, we're done with the submitted questions, but I wanted to ask bonus question at the end. So when we were sitting down and dad and I were talking about this passage and outlining, and I actually, you know, I had outlined it one way, you had outlined it one way, and then the more we were talking, you helped me kind of see a lot of what ... I think I had ... What was the original title that I had sort of put in the sermon spreadsheet as a placeholder, something about- Godly leaders or something.
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Yeah. But part of what you helped me see was there really was in from chapter 17 of Deuteronomy, Merced, through the end of chapter 18, you have a categorical dealing with the priests and judges in the middle of chapter 17. It talks about these are the requirements for appointing priests and judges. Then he goes to rules about the king. When you get in the land, you're going to want a king. And again, he doesn't necessarily say it here. He's going to say it later in first Samuel when they demand the king. And God says to Samuel that they're rejecting me as their king, but like you said, God, even with that, is bearing with anticipating his people's sinful rejection of him and like even in going above and beyond and just being gracious to say, "I'm okay, but I'm not going to leave you without any kind of a king because I love you too much.
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So here, if you want a king, you're going to have a king, but here let me give you some rules for it. " But you got kings and then it ends with that great sort of messianic prophecy really about Moses telling them that a new prophet, another prophet is going to arise, kind of like me, but greater about Christ. And so you've got priests and then kings and then prophets. So I guess, I don't know, maybe a two part question. One, like, could you maybe say more about, as you thought about that and outlining and thinking about like ... A lot of people and even today will kind of talk about like a tripartheid kind of leadership concept or whatever of thinking about leadership and whether you lean more toward being a priest or a prophet or a king and what those titles, what those roles entail.
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So I'm curious, as you thought about even preparing for the message and looking at that, if you could say more about the priest prophet king designations amongst leaders there and how much of that is still helpful for us in the church today. And then secondly, I mean, obviously you talked about the priest, the prophecy, but ended up going with a different outline of ... You could remind us of your outline with God establishing justice, God, sustaining true worship, whatever, but ultimately how you landed on kind of, yeah, no, I'm not going to go with that for kind of the way of looking at this passage and outlining it.
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All right, we're running out of battery, so we're going to do this. Yeah, I do think that the prophet priest and game specifically within the church context can be a helpful one and used to distinguish, again, different sort of giftedness, kingly type tends to be those who are decision making and that very helpful versus a prophet, a little bit ... Again, we do think of prophetic speaking on behalf of God. And that sort of landscape and priestly care of individuals and souls and shepherding in a sense. And so I do think those are some helpful dynamics. I think where I changed the structure of the outline a little bit is with the addition of the first section of Deuteronomy 17 where it includes this idea of judges and I mean we'll get a better sense as we continue to work throuh, get to the book of judges and what they do, but the priests specifically in that context, not just administering worship, but they're really giving some sort of application of the law where the judgment sort of made a casting of judgment.
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So as I kind of thought through it, just kind of really helpful and like if I'm being ... As I'm trying to look at this text and see, how do I connect this to Jesus throughout, because scripture was towards Jesus that in the first section focused largely on justice and judgment and then later on, I was back to talking about the priest and the character and the ministering of worship. And so kind of how I thought, how did all these different sections sort of connect together and point us to Jesus? I think if I wanted to make it a three point outline, I would have done priest and then done those two sections together, King, and then finishing the last one. I will say one other aspect to specifically the prophet one, but I just didn't have enough time. I kind of made it if I'm going to give a football analogy, like a hell Mary, like you're going from Moses, connecting it directly to Jesus, when really it's more like a flea flicker where they're passing it back and forth to one another, trying to eventually have someone get open enough that they can launch it down to Jesus because there's other prophets along the way.
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You can even think of John the Baptist coming as a prophet, but the fulfillment of it of the Pharisees coming in and asking if Jesus himself is a prophet and Jesus becoming the final prophet of God all throughout scripture, I think you can make a connection through the testament of all of the prophets, even if you think of bad authority, not all the prophets do a great job of being prophets of God. You think of Jonah who basically being a really bad prophet, but throughout scripture, this connection of whether it be the priests or the prophets or the kings or the judges, always asking this question, "Is this the final judge? Is this the final game? Is this the final priest culminating itself in Jesus is the absolute prophet priest came in Jewish who does not let us down famous."
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Yeah, that's helpful. Thanks. And like you said, with all three of those priests, prophet and king, I think like you said, there's a personal application of these principles that we could draw out of scripture about, "Hey, Moses is telling them here, here's how to be a good priest, here's how to be a good king." Listen, follow God's word, here's how to be a good prophet, say things that are true. And so we need to think about that for our own leadership in terms of our own followership of those that we are being led by, but then ultimately, like you said, more so even than the personal applications is obviously the prophetic application implication for the coming greater priest, greater prophet, greater king, the ultimate one that we find in Jesus. Well, thank you, Pastor Ted, for answering our questions. Thank you church for listening and asking them, and we do pray and ask you to continue doing it.
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It's such an encouragement to us to get to follow up. Please also just a plug too for your application follow-ups because as much as we love answering the questions, we really love hearing how God spoke to you, not making something unclear that you want more clarity on, but made something more clear to you through his word that now you're going to go and implement and be a doer and not just a hearer of the word, and that's what it's all about. So we ask you to continue to submit those, "Hey, here's how God spoke to me through the message." And I want to share that for the benefit of others too, that maybe they would hear that and be blessed and challenged, convicted by your personal application of the message. So thanks for sharing those. Thanks for listening and let's go live it out this week.
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God bless you, and we'll hope to see you next Sunday, if not center.