10/18/26 | Cody Seiler | Philippians: The Joy of Gospel Hope
Will DuVal (00:02):
Welcome to the After the Sermon podcast. I am your fill-in host this week, Pastor Will, here with our guest preacher from yesterday, Cody Seiler. Thanks for bringing God’s word to us yesterday. Cody?
Cody Seiler (00:19):
Yeah, it was a blessing. I love the opportunity. Appreciate
Will DuVal (00:22):
It. And thank you for coming in and being willing to record the After the Sermon podcast as well. With this podcast, we want to remind you that preaching and hearing from God’s word is not just for Sundays, it’s everyday need of ours as believers. So Cody, you want to start by just reminding us of what the main point and your outline was from yesterday in Philippians 3:12 through, I guess really verse one of chapter four is where you left off.
Cody Seiler (01:05):
Yeah, no. Again, thanks for the opportunity to preach. But yeah, the passage was entitled or the sermon was entitled Joy of Hope and the gospel, the joy of gospel hope actually. And I broke it down into four main parts and it was verses 12 through 14 to start off with. And we said that we discover the hope of Christ in our effort. The second part was 15 through 16 and it was we discovered the hope of Christ in our education. And then 17 through 19, we discover the hope of Christ in our exemplars. And then the last one, 20 through four: one was we discover the hope of Christ in our ending. But yeah, we talked about in the first part effort of how I tried to make clear that we don’t earn our salvation in any way. However, we’re called to participate. There’s still some effort that God wants us to do, one that it honors him and it’s good for us as we see in our effort.
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We actually feel some blessings from that as well. But the next part was education. And as we talked about actually, we were trying to figure out how that wasn’t originally in the manuscript, but we talked about how it didn’t really quite fit. And maybe it’s just the way that we broke up the passage, but it was kind of more of a hinge point between the first half and the second half, but that we discover the hope of Christ in our education. And I wanted to make the point that it’s really the educator. We have hope in Christ because of the Holy Spirit who teaches us and he does that through just his… I’m trying to think of a way that I put it in the sermon, but he does it through his providential means to bring us about to salvation as we’re being saved. But then we went on to exemplars the other way, and that was kind of like a lead-in into exemplars of we discovered the hope of Christ and those who provide us a good example of how to live a good Christian life.
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And I exhorted the church to hang out with one another and find good mentors in the church if someone’s more a better discipler of their family than you or better evangelist that you can go and use them to provide you or teach you how to be a better disciple of your family or evangelist. And then we went off to bad examples as Paul does, how we should know what good ones look like and what bad ones look like and had that as a lead-in into the last part. We discovered the gospel hope and ending. And we just talked about how our citizenship is in heaven and how we have eternity of glory to look forward to. And that is the whole reason behind any of our effort, any of our education, anything that we do on earth can get us through hard times, can help others get through hard times and all that.
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So that was pretty much the sermon in a nutshell.
Will DuVal (04:31):
Yeah. Thank you for the recap and thank you for the sermon. I know it was a huge encouragement to me and to so many others. I heard just such great feedback and we’ll get to some of that in a minute actually. But first couple questions, really two, I think because there’s three folks who submitted questions here, but two of them are very similar. So maybe we can take them in turn. So let’s start with Andrea’s. She asked, “If the people of verses 18 and 19 are in the church, how should the church respond?” And then she said, “I always thought that that dealt with people outside.” So real quick, verses 17 through 19, Paul, this is under your exemplars kind of point in God bringing us hope through the example of others. The positive example of Paul, brothers join in imitating me.
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Focus, keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in me and Timothy and Baphroditus, but then verses 18 and 19, but many others of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is their destruction, their God is their belly and they glory in their shame with mindset on earthly things. And I was surprised by that too, that you made the claim that these are, at least in one or two of the commentaries that you were looking at, that there’s the suggestion made that these are folks who either are close to the church or used to be in the church and fell away or something like that. And that surprised me too because I’m kind of with Andrea where I just assume when I hear enemies of the cross and I hear their God is their belly, glory is their shame, mindset on earthly things.
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I mean, certainly sadly that can describe either a fleshly carnal kind of Christian or someone who, like Hebrews six, I think it is, talks about has tasted the heavenly things and then kind of fallen away. But it certainly seems to, in Paul’s description there, to line up more with the description of just a pagan Gentile. So I’m curious what either research you came across or how you might respond to Andrew on that one.
Cody Seiler (07:27):
Yeah, no, thanks for the question. And actually I think all three questions I’ve got were pretty good. But when I read that, we even talked about it, Will, for how it might be an interpretive challenge before we went through. So when I read the commentaries on it, it seemed unclear about exactly who he was talking about. And so one commentary I thought was a safe one to go to, mostly because it seemed like the emphasis in that point of Philippians is more on their example and less on who are these people? And so I decided not to really address it as much as maybe our interpretive challenge discussions were about. And so I went with the more safer one of saying, well, at minimum, these guys are close to the church and so close enough that even it brought Paul to tears because he obviously knows them.
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But I do think
Will DuVal (08:34):
That – Well, I guess that would be, I’m just thinking, I guess another way of thinking about that is, because you’re right, there’s definitely applications for us to glean regardless. On the one hand, if it’s folks that are either close to the church or were in the church and then like one John three, they were among us, but not really of us and so they left folks like that. Certainly then that brings you to tears. But I guess another way of thinking about that though would be to say, what if they’re not? What if there are Acts 17 folks on the Areopagus that Paul just spent an afternoon with debating and then they went and lived their stoic life or their Epicurean life and their God is their belly and that was their hedonist and so they’re just living kind of meal to meal. And just even thinking about that and maybe even having a debate or a conversation or whatever where Paul’s able to evangelize them or interact with them in the marketplace or whatever it is, but maybe he wouldn’t necessarily say, “I’m close with these people.” I guess my point is what if Paul is just so pastoral and so empathetic in modeling that for us in a way that shouldn’t we be in tears about anyone who’s not saved?
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I shouldn’t have to be close to somebody for it to bring me to tears that the bagger at the grocery store that I just interacted with this morning, and I barely remember his name, but I had a five-minute conversation with him and he’s like, “Oh yeah, you’re a pastor. Yeah, no, I don’t believe in anything.” Shouldn’t I be able to just cry?That makes me so sad that this guy is so far from God. I don’t know. That would be, I guess, again, just another way of thinking about it. I guess my point is just because it brings them to tears, does that necessarily mean that these were folks that were close relationally to Paul?
Cody Seiler (10:44):
Yeah, I guess not necessarily. I think that based on the relationship that you have with the bagger at the store versus someone that… And I was thinking what was going on here based on other letters was that this is people that he actually got to interact with and got to know a little bit more. He had a little bit more of a special relationship, I guess, with these folks that, yeah, we should always be brought to tears that a friend or the bagger doesn’t know Jesus. But if you have a relationship with someone, it makes it that much more, I know it hurts a little bit more. And that’s kind of what I was imagining going on because even in Galatians, I remember you might even actually have preached this, but in chapter two, he talks about false brothers coming in and distorting the truth.
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And then he goes on to say, talking about Peter, he says that –
Will DuVal (11:41):
And that term just seems like an oxymoron, right? I mean, it seems like a contradiction of terms to say false brothers. Are they false or are they brothers? How can they be both? Can they really be brothers and really be in the family of God if they’re false? Are they false on the gospel? They believe in a false gospel, then are they really saved versus they’re false teachers on secondary issues, but still at least, I don’t know, that’s a whole nother can of worms. But you’re right. I mean, sorry, go ahead.
Cody Seiler (12:22):
Yeah, no. So false brothers, and then he goes on to talk to Peter about these men came from James. And so in that sense, those people were in the church.
Will DuVal (12:34):
Whether or not they were of the true church.
Cody Seiler (12:36):
And that’s what I was going to get at next. The whole classical description of visible church and invisible church would be helpful here too. But yeah, I think a lot of those things are in play. And so that was the reason why I went with, at a very minimum, these people are close to the church. And I wanted to address it a little bit, but then also go back to what I think the main emphasis was of, hey, know what false teachers or maybe false or bad examples look like.
Will DuVal (13:07):
It is interesting that I think both of us would probably agree, this does not seem to be the same folks that Paul took issue with in the first half of chapter three. So I preached that last week. First half of chapter three is, I think, much more clear, it seems, to be Paul responding, addressing, warning the Philippians about the Judaizers, the circumcision party. That’s what most of Galatians was written to warn against the Judaizers. We talked about that. So that’s where I kind of read verses 18 and 19 here is almost, because I dealt with in my sermon and I tried to, so that was zoomed in on the Judaizers, but I tried to zoom out and say, look, maybe we don’t have a bunch of people running around the church these days saying you got to be circumcised or you’re not truly a Christian.
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But what we do have is a lot of folks running around the church compromising on the gospel and in different ways though. So maybe it is legalism, different forms. You don’t have to be circumcised, but you have to not smoke, drink or chew or run with girls that do, whatever. So there’s legalism, but then what I see one way or another, whoever it is in verses 18 and 19 is maybe more so the opposite end of that spectrum that I mentioned, licentiousness is sort of giving license to sin, again, whether that’s a carnal Christian or whether maybe these really are folks just totally outside the church and pagan and lost as all get out. But part of your, I guess to make the point that you’re making, and maybe the reason some of those commentaries were suggesting these are folks that are closer to Paul, maybe inside the church, is he does say there in beginning of verse 18, “For many, of whom I have often told you.” Now, I mean, it’s possible that Paul has written the Philippians multiple times or that when he was with them and ministering to the Philippians and that he so had these pagans that he was interacting with on a daily basis out in the marketplace and doing his street evangelism.
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And Paul so had them on his heart that he’d go out and he’d preach and then he’d come back in the evening and he’d disciple the church and tell them about the conversations he had had that day and, “Hey, let’s all join in praying for this such and such and he stuck around for an hour after my sermon and we talked and let’s all pray for him.” So I mean it’s possible still then I guess that Paul would have told them often about maybe not the same group of people, but people like this, people who, again, are living as probably hedonist, Epicureans. It was a popular philosophy of the day. There’s a couple different pagan kind of philosophies, Greek philosophies of ways to live. And one was maximize pleasure and so their God is their belly. And so they’re living from one night stand to one night stand or from fine dining meal to meal and just whatever the next earthly thing, earthly pleasure is that they can chase.
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But yeah, Paul’s point here that that makes them an enemy of the cross is interesting in telling. What does it mean then to be a follower of the cross of Christ? I mean, the cross is literally it’s self-renouncing. I’m not living for my own selfish pleasure. That’s what he told us about last chapter in chapter two about be like Jesus, don’t just seek your own self-pleasure and advancement, but humble yourself and empty yourself and seek what’s in other’s best interest. So it seems like that one way or another, whoever these people are that he’s kind of contrasting with.
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That’s good. Well, okay. So second, maybe part two of that question then from Victoria, what do you think Paul did about those who fell away and are enemies now of the cross? What do we do? So she’s maybe not pushing back on you’re identifying these with maybe cardinal Christians or something, but Victoria wants to know, okay, if these are really people that are still either inside the church or were once in the church and now have left or whatever that Paul’s warning the Philippians about, I guess she wants to know what do we do about folks like that? What do we do about folks potentially still in our churches today, in our church today who are whatever they claim about themselves. I mean, walking is an active verb and they are living, they’re walking in disobedience and as enemies of the cross. Yeah, what do we do as Christians?
Cody Seiler (18:50):
Yeah, I really like that question combined with Andrea’s actually. So it really helps us like, okay, so what do we do about these lost folks? And as I was driving over here, a couple things came to mind. Actually just immediately in the text, I think is first thing is we lament and that seems to be what Paul did. And he encourages others to do that same thing. But at the same time, he also rebukes them and calls out their false teaching. They’re false living even. Don’t live that way. That’s not what citizens of heaven look like. And he warns the church to be on the lookout for them as he’s told them many times, maybe what you just pointed out. And then this comes actually from two Timothy. I thought the last thing, and I’m sure you can do more things, you can probably come up with some more, but was love them.
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And the reason, one verse I thought about was he’s talking about the Lord’s servant and this is two Timothy 2:24 says, “And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome, but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, and then correcting the opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil being captured by him to do his will.” And so we love them and we’re kind to them and we still move toward them in love and that hopefully showing them, that’s why I think we go into one of my applications was show people what love looks like because God may grant them repentance. And I love how Paul even puts that there. He really takes the onus even off of us. We go and evangelize because that’s what we’re told to do, but we still are not the ones who save them.
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Just because they’re not believing yet, keep loving them. Or maybe they have fallen into some destructive heresies and things like that, but reject them. But at the same time, if you still have a relationship with them, keep loving them. God may grant them repentance. So those are three things that I though about right away.
Will DuVal (21:03):
That’s good. Well, and at the same time too, the unpopular form that love can take and has to take sometimes is discipline, right? Hebrew six, God is a loving father and he loves us enough to discipline us. And Paul exhorts elsewhere the church to love one another, love those of the church enough to do that when necessary. So I thought about one Corinthians five where you have this supposed Christian in their midst in the church in Corinth who’s
Cody Seiler (21:47):
Good.
Will DuVal (21:47):
Paul says, “What are you doing? You’re sleeping with your stepmom?” Even the Pagans don’t do this kind of stuff. And Paul says, again, this is not in contrast to love, this is just a different form that love has to take sometimes. Paul says, “Look, if you really love him and surely if you really love the church, you have to kick this guy out because tolerating that kind of sin is going to have an effect on the whole community and the life of the community and the purity and those kinds of things.” And so I just say that to say that, yeah, to your point, what does love look like in the church context? Well, it does look like patiently bearing with one another because we’re all works in progress, but it also looks like rebuking, like you said. And it also looks like when you’ve rebuked, when you’ve reproved, when you’ve confronted about sin, and the person says, “That’s fine.
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I’m going to do it anyway.” Then love says, like Paul says in one Corinthians five, “You hand this guy over to Satan.” Because maybe even kicking him out of the church and handing him over to Satan, maybe that is the very means by which two Timothy two will happen or four will happen and he’ll come full circle. And when he experiences the darkness of, “Oh right, this is what life is like outside the church. I don’t want to go back to that again.” So yeah, but that’s good. That’s helpful. Thank you. And thanks for the question, Victoria. And then Victoria had just an application for herself too, to meditate on the word resolve like an Olympian, which is good. So much of that good language that Paul had there of resolve, stand firm, press on, strive, just so many active verbs. And appreciate your pointing that out for us with that point about effort.
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Glad
Cody Seiler (23:54):
It was a blessing.
Will DuVal (23:55):
Last question is from Josh who asks, “Can you explain how in heaven the next day will be better than that one?” And that was another question I had that I thought was interesting. You made the point about one day in heaven, every day will be better than the one before. And it caused me to pause and think too, huh? Yeah. Is that true? I mean, will every day be successfully better or for all eternity? I mean, that’s a wonderful thought. But then there’s a part of me that whether it’s sort of like whatever the platelets kind of Greek philosophical idea of perfection is more static and like, well, okay, if heaven’s perfect, then isn’t every day equally perfect? Is there such a thing as more perfect? I don’t know. But yeah, anyway, you want to unpack that a little bit?
Cody Seiler (25:01):
Yeah, no, that was a great question. Thanks for that, Josh. I’ve actually met Josh a couple times, but he seems like one of the people I would really like to be best friends with. He’s a great guy.
Will DuVal (25:11):
He’s one of only three people listening right now.
Cody Seiler (25:12):
Tha’s right. Yeah. So I was trying to explaining my thoughts on this before we got on here. I know for a fact that it’s not going to be worse each day. So I guess at a very minimum, it could be the same. But I was thinking about how to answer this. I have to admit, I don’t have a passage to really go to off the top of my head. Maybe there was one of how it will get better each day, but I can know that I can make some observations based off of some passages that I’ll try and bring up. And then some books that I’ve read that have alluded to just pointing out who we are now, who will be in eternity. And so one of those things is…
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I guess I’ll just answer it like this. I have a whole mess of this boss I just blasted on my iPad. So the first one was when we get into heaven, when Christ comes back or we’re taken home, in eternity, something that stuck out to me from something I’ve read in the past, I don’t remember what it was, that we are not going to be God. I’m not going to obtain his attributes. I’m not going to have omniscience or omnipotence or I’m not going to be omnipresent. However, what will be true that’s not true now is that sin will no longer be present. And so because of that, and maybe pause there to think about how we don’t understand how much sin has an effect on us, how it’s piled up on humans throughout history. I thought about answering it that way by looking at how much sin has piled up on humans throughout history and how we’re not as bad as we can be, the whole total depravity doctrine, but in God’s common grace that we are who we are.
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And with his spirit, we are guaranteed to continually be sanctified and get better and better. Now, if sin was not there in eternity, if in truth set us free and if God, and what I went to, my first thought was actually Romans 11, oh, the depths of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God, how unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways. If the depths of God are… You can’t plunge the depths of God and knowing him more fully each day frees you just a little bit more each day. In eternity, I will have no restriction from sin to help me understand that more and more. And that anything that I remember from this time on this earth or anything that God teaches me about that I wasn’t even aware of, it’s going to increase my praise. And the more truth I know about God’s redemption of my life and even in creation, thinking about how I’ll be able to understand concepts that I wouldn’t be able to right now because I won’t be restricted by sin, and I’ll understand even more fully who God is as creator.
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And that causes me to believe that each day will be better than the next. The more truth, the more I get to know God, and I’m not going to know everything instantly all of a sudden, and that would make me God. But I have eternity to figure it out and I won’t ever plunge the depths of that and that’s going to be good each and every single day is what I’ve come to understand about heaven. But yeah, feel free to push back or…
Will DuVal (29:07):
It’s an interesting idea and question. Honestly, I don’t know if I’ve ever thought about it in those terms. Here’s what Claude told me. Says that there’s no Bible verse out there to necessarily support the idea, but perhaps none to explicitly refute it. You’ve got various passages talking about obviously Revelation 21:22 describing new heaven, new earth as a place with no more death, mourning, crying, pain, God’s dwelling on his people, emphasis on completeness of joy, not a rising scale of it. But anyway, then it says how some Christians interpret it. So some traditions like Augustine and others emphasize that heaven is perfect. Fulfillment in God, so there’s nothing to improve on. Others, such as C.S. Lewis in his writing, many modern pastors, suggest eternity involves endless discovery of God, just like you said, who is infinite.
Cody Seiler (30:13):
Now you bring it up, that’s where I got that from actually, now
Will DuVal (30:15):
You bring it up. Joy can keep deepening without ever being exhausted. This view is a theological reflection built on biblical themes above, not a stated doctrine or passage. So that’s interesting. I don’t know. Different kind of schools of thought on that. But yeah, thanks for the question on it, Josh, and thanks for clarifying even a little bit more, Cody. So yeah, lastly, or anything else you wanted to add before I close?
Cody Seiler (30:46):
Yeah, no, I was trying to think of some of these other things that might help clarify some stuff, but I think that I’m happy.
Will DuVal (30:58):
Well, I just want to say a public thank you again to you for preaching and filling in so capably. And when I struck out on the worship leaders and had asked our three folks in house and four or five folks who’ve led for us in the past and was getting, no, no, no, no, no, I though, well, I might have to lead worship here, which is fun. I mean, I might get to, I should say, but then if I knew Thad was out on fall break, it’s a tall ask, only nine days of prep. And I just had this though, I knew we’d talked and you had put it on my radar that you’d love the opportunity if it ever arose to preach sometime and thought, you know what? I already had spilled the beans about you candidating to be elder and an elder’s got to be able to teach and this gives the church an opportunity to see you in the climactic teaching role from the pulpit.
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And anyway, I just though it doesn’t hurt to ask. I tossed it out there, said, “Absolutely no pressure. We’ll find a solution one way or another.” But I was really relieved and excited that you said yes. And I got to, just a quick behind the scenes kind of anecdote to you that hopefully, I know encourage Cody and maybe just to encourage you publicly for others was, I said, “It might make both of us feel better just to give you a chance to preach it all the way through and for me to hear it and give you any notes and feedback.” So I came over to Cody’s house late Friday night and I got to listen to him preach it and gave him my feedback. But I mean, I would say 80% of that feedback was just positive, was just like, “I love this point you made.
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I love this illustration. I love this joke.” And then a couple little minor suggestions, but then I said, “Hey, look, I mean, I don’t think you need to change this too much at all. So if it’s okay with you, I might take the opportunity to just sit on some of our Sunday school classes that I never get to attend because I feel like I’ve already heard the sermon and it was wonderful and edifying.” So anyway, just as saying that publicly to encourage you, but also most folks will never preach a sermon and will never know the time and work and prayer and everything that goes into that. So yeah, I can’t fully appreciate it, but that’s what one of the things I told you I know is if nothing else, you’re going to have a different level of just appreciation of once you’ve gone through that.
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I don’t
Cody Seiler (34:12):
Think that
Will DuVal (34:13):
Surprised you or preparing to preach.
Cody Seiler (34:16):
Well, the first thing was relatively shocked that you asked, but also not super shocked just because I was elder candidate and stuff like that. And so I was like, “Yeah, maybe this is one way we can help the church see who I am. They can watch me and provide me feedback and help them know who I am because I am relatively new, relatively two years actually, probably right on.” But the surprise was one, just a couple providential things. It’s really hard to get off on the weekends in my job with inside two weeks and it happened the next day. And I think it was probably God’s province that two Christians were on the schedule that week and I told them what was going on there. I go, “See what we can do.” And they made it happen. So that was really neat. But as for prep, one, you gave me a really easy passage.
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I feel like that was very gospel centered. I felt like you could get to the gospel in a lot of ways. It’s very Christ-centered. And so thanks for making it easy in that sense.
Will DuVal (35:24):
Thanks, Paul.
Cody Seiler (35:25):
Yeah, Paul.
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But I was kind of surprised by how many times I would put something on there and it sounded so good. And then I’d read it a couple hours later coming back to it. I’m like, “That has nothing to do with the passage.” I kept going back in. I think one of the things was that whole who that Paul was talking to type of thing. And I was like, “I just don’t think that’s what he’s emphasizing here.” You don’t want to get sidetracked. And so I took that out. And so the number of times I refined it was, I was expecting that, but not in the large chunks. And with the weight of preaching, just really wanting to do that well. So kind of surprised and not surprised in a lot of different facets.
Will DuVal (36:10):
Speaking of, just quickly, I had a note to you on verse 21 back when we met last week just to do outline and then identified, here’s some interesting things in the text you might want to address. And one of them was in verse 21 where Paul talks about Christ transforming our lowly body to be like his glorious body. And I had just mentioned, hey, that could be an opportunity to… Because I think even still in the church these days, there’s an influence of a Hellenistic or even probably some weird modern kind of gnostic ideas of the material and physical being bad and the spiritual being better and that we’re all going to be disembodied floating spirits or whatever. But no, this is an opportunity. Just one of many passages that talks about God transforming our bodies and we’re going to have bodies in heaven. But then when I came over Friday night and you preached it and you didn’t mention it, and I told you right after, I was like, “That was the right call.” It is an interesting…
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If you were doing a Bible study on it, it might be something, but this is a sermon. And so you’re trying to build and leave it somewhere. And with that being the last verse 21, you’ve got momentum, you’re talking about your citizenship in heaven and looking forward and all that and finishing the race and ending well. It’s like that would not be ending well, right? You want to be sealing the deal or whatever. Anyway, it’s just one of those… But again, until you sit down and you write it and you’re thinking and you preach it out loud, it’s just a lot of that, that you don’t really know what goes into making decisions like that until you actually are asked to do it. And then you’re making those decisions about, okay, what to include. I mean, there’s whole volumes that have been written on this or that passage probably, but you can’t say it all.
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You only got 45 minutes. Anyway, speaking of, let’s wrap up before we hit 45 here. Let me just end with a couple encouragements too that we received. One thanking me for worship, exciting. I was excited, praise the Lord, moved by the spirit, and it was exciting for me to lead. I appreciate that. But that same person, anonymous said, “Cody, incredible job. I don’t know you well, but I can see God’s wisdom in you. You have encouraged me to seek wise counsel in older saints. Once again, I had become discouraged in doing this.”
Cody Seiler (39:08):
Thanks.
Will DuVal (39:08):
It’s like, man, that’s a great encouragement to you, but also encouragement to them and just really taking that exhortation seriously.
Cody Seiler (39:20):
Praise God.
Will DuVal (39:21):
Hopefully if they’re seeking older saints at West Hills to be discipled by that the older saints will also follow your exportation and take that time, make that time to invest in others. And then Darlene said, “My dear Cody, thank you for sharing your sermon with us today.” So thanks Darlene for that encouragement. But thanks again, Cody, and thanks again everybody for listening to this episode of After the Sermon. We pray that it would be edifying to you as you seek to live out God’s word this week. We’ll catch you next week. God bless.
Cody Seiler (40:04):
Yeah.